ATLS for non-docs..

Sun Oct 8 23:00:14 BST 2006

does anyone knows can a med student attend ATLS, knowing of course that
he/she will not be certified.
ante

2006/10/8, Anthony Caruso <Medic541 at hotmail.com>:
>
>
> Charlene, I have to respectively disagree with you.  I have been a
> practicing paramedic for approximately 7 years now.  I do understand that
> you have allot more schooling than myself.  However, in my mind when I
> take
> a classes such as A.T.L.S. I go into it knowing that I will only be able
> to
> "audit" it, and not become certified. For me its not what can I become
> certified in, its more of what knowledge that I can gain from the
> class.  If
> I were a "medical control" physician, I know that I would feel more
> confident if I had a highly skilled and educated paramedic on staff, than
> rather one that has no interests on attending various in and out hospital
> classes.  Regardless of them being certified or not.
> I have attended some classes that are not normally offered to paramedics
> on a normal basis like N.R.P or FCCS (Fundamentals of critical care
> support).  I will never place an umbilical catheter or make adjustments on
> a
> hospital ventilator, but some the knowledge that I gain from such classes
> will directly affect the treatment of some of my patients.  So therefore
> these classes have a huge impact.
> Please however, do not interpret this as you not wanting to become a
> better P.A. You obviously show that you want to, by attending B.T.L.S.  I
> apologize if this is how it came across. I just wanted to share with you
> some of my thoughts from a non-physician practitioner.  One thing, of the
> classes that I have attended I didn't have to pay for one them.  That, I'm
> sure is a huge factor for you.  So I can understand your point as well on
> why not to go to a class.
> Ciao!
> Anthony M. Caruso
> NREMT-P
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:
> trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org]
> On Behalf Of Charlene M Morris
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:43 AM
> To: Trauma &amp, Critical Care mailing list
> Subject: ATLS for non-docs..
>
>
> Of interest, I took BTLS, as I received credit and was allowed CME. As a
> PA,
> ATLS is NOT a course for which I can certify, thus-- why wasted my time
> and
> money?!
>
> I can learn from any number of courses and benefit from all, but if the
> politics dictate ATLS is *special* for docs only, I cannot reasonably
> participate. Auditing just doesn't make it, to my mind
>
> C M Morris
>
>
> On 10/8/06, Ian Civil <icivil at xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> > The way to have all consultants ATLS positive is to make it a
> > requirement for trainees in all specialties as it is in Australia and
> > NZ.
> >
> > The challenge is to ensure those involved in trauma care remain
> > current in their knowledge and practice which is no less problematic
> > down-under than anywhere else in the world
> >
> > Ian Civil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:
> > trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of "Hansen, Kari Schrøder"
> > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:32 PM
> > To: Trauma & Critical Care mailing list
> > Subject: SV: ATLS for consultants...
> >
> > I sure would like every consultant to have the ATLS course, but I
> > don't believe it's possible to convince them to attend a 2.5 day
> > course with an exam...
> >
> > I have another solution: make them attend your local training in the
> > ER room. I suppose you have such training regularly........? If not, I
> > can suggest the concepts of the BEST-course (Better & Systematic
> > Trauma Care): http://www.bestnet.no/english/. BEST is a one-day course
> > held locally in your resuscitation room. It is based on CRM-principles
> > to make your trauma team work as a team. It is easier to ask the
> > consultants to participate in this course compared to ATLS. The course
> > will give them:
> > -       A basic understanding of the ABCDE
> > -       A basic understanding on how the trauma team work in the ER
> > -       Knowledge and practice on how to work in a team
> > -       Understanding of why the senior doctor is not the leader
> > -       +++
> >
> > It is easy, fun and cheap!
> >
> > Kari Schrøder Hansen
> > Deptartment of Surgery
> > Bergen, Norway
> >
> >
> > (If you want more information on how to introduce the course at your
> > hospital, I will be glad to help.)
> >
> >
> > -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> > Fra: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org
> > [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org
> > ]
> > På vegne av Ronald Gross
> > Sendt: 6. oktober 2006 18:20
> > Til: trauma-list at trauma.org
> > Emne: Re: ATLS for consultants...
> >
> > Ron,
> >
> > We require that ortho and neurosurgeons take ATLS at least once.
> >
> > Please note that the ACS COT "Optimal Resourses" document states that,
> > "At a minimum, orthopaedic surgeons on the trauma team should be
> > encouraged to successfully complete an ATLS Student Course."  The same
> > statement is repeated in the neurosurgical chapter: "At a minimum,
> > neurosurgeons on the trauma team should be encouraged to successfully
> > complete an ATLS Student Course."
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Ron
> >
> > >>> Ronald Simon <Traumamd at nyc.rr.com> 10/5/2006 9:16 PM >>>
> > We are currently having a debate in our State Trauma Advisory
> > Committee
> >
> > about whether trauma related consultants (neurosurg, ortho, ent, etc)
> > should be required to have taken ATLS to care for a trauma pt. The
> > question is whether this should be part of the requirements for trauma
> >
> > center designation. No question that members of the trauma service and
> >
> > the ED should but what about the subspecialists? Sure its a good
> > concept but actually getting them to take it is another thing. What is
> > the practice of other trauma systems?
> > Thanks
> > Ron Simon, MD
> > Jacobi Medical Center
> > Bronx, NY
> >
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