ATLS for consultants...

Mon Oct 9 06:10:18 BST 2006

Ian

exactly what we did in RSA

Tim
Dr T C Hardcastle
M.B.,Ch.B.(Stell); M.Med(Chir); FCS(SA)
Senior Surgeon / Senior Lecturer: Surgery (Trauma and ICU)
ATLS  instructor and DSTC Cape Town Course Director
Intern program Coordinator: Surgery
M.Med (Emergency Medicine) Executive Committee member
Clinical Head (Director): Diana Princess of Wales Trauma Unit
Division of Surgery (General) Room 4064
Department of Surgical Sciences
Tygerberg Hospital / University of Stellenbosch
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Tygerberg 7505
Western Cape
South Africa
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-----Original Message-----
From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org
[mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org]On Behalf Of Ian Civil
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:52 AM
To: 'Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list'
Subject: RE: ATLS for consultants...

The way to have all consultants ATLS positive is to make it a requirement
for trainees in all specialties as it is in Australia and NZ.

The challenge is to ensure those involved in trauma care remain current in
their knowledge and practice which is no less problematic down-under than
anywhere else in the world

Ian Civil

-----Original Message-----
From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org]
On Behalf Of "Hansen, Kari Schrøder"
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:32 PM
To: Trauma &amp; Critical Care mailing list
Subject: SV: ATLS for consultants...

I sure would like every consultant to have the ATLS course, but I don't
believe it's possible to convince them to attend a 2.5 day course with an
exam...

I have another solution: make them attend your local training in the ER
room. I suppose you have such training regularly........?
If not, I can suggest the concepts of the BEST-course (Better & Systematic
Trauma Care): http://www.bestnet.no/english/. 
BEST is a one-day course held locally in your resuscitation room. It is
based on CRM-principles to make your trauma team work as a team. 
It is easier to ask the consultants to participate in this course compared
to ATLS. The course will give them:
-	A basic understanding of the ABCDE 
-	A basic understanding on how the trauma team work in the ER
-	Knowledge and practice on how to work in a team 
-	Understanding of why the senior doctor is not the leader
-	+++

It is easy, fun and cheap! 

Kari Schrøder Hansen
Deptartment of Surgery
Bergen, Norway

(If you want more information on how to introduce the course at your
hospital, I will be glad to help.)

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På vegne av Ronald Gross
Sendt: 6. oktober 2006 18:20
Til: trauma-list at trauma.org
Emne: Re: ATLS for consultants...

Ron,

We require that ortho and neurosurgeons take ATLS at least once. 

Please note that the ACS COT "Optimal Resourses" document states that,
"At a minimum, orthopaedic surgeons on the trauma team should be
encouraged to successfully complete an ATLS Student Course."  The same
statement is repeated in the neurosurgical chapter: "At a minimum,
neurosurgeons on the trauma team should be encouraged to successfully
complete an ATLS Student Course." 

Best wishes,
Ron

>>> Ronald Simon <Traumamd at nyc.rr.com> 10/5/2006 9:16 PM >>>
We are currently having a debate in our State Trauma Advisory Committee

about whether trauma related consultants (neurosurg, ortho, ent, etc) 
should be required to have taken ATLS to care for a trauma pt. The 
question is whether this should be part of the requirements for trauma

center designation. No question that members of the trauma service and

the ED should but what about the subspecialists? Sure its a good
concept 
but actually getting them to take it is another thing. What is the 
practice of other trauma systems?
Thanks
Ron Simon, MD
Jacobi Medical Center
Bronx, NY

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