Crocodile hunter- EXTRACTION of foreign body

[Bjorn, Pret]

Thanks.  But where the myocardium is concerned, a local effect IS a systemic effect.  Isn't it?

Pret

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Hey Pret and others,

The toxin has a local effect. Most injuries envolving marine animals evolve with an ugly necrosis of the wound. but that´s it. No systemic envenomation.

Felix.


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Assunto:RE: Crocodile hunter- EXTRACTION of foreign body

> Agreed, of course; but jeez, Dr. Mattox, you're asking a lot of the
> victim here: if the reported pain factor is accurate, the impulse to
> pull the barb out must be overwhelming -- even in someone who knows
> better. From what little I've seen of Steve Irwin (may he rest in
> peace) the man operated largely on reflexes.
> 
> Then again, if there's truly venom involved, there may have been no
> correct approach (pull the needle or leave the poison). Does anyone on
> the List know the nature of the toxin in these creatures?
> 
> If memory serves, autopsies are not always a matter of public record in
> Australia. It'd be interesting to know what was found. 
> 
> Best of luck with the video, but to be honest, part of me is hopeful
> it's been destroyed already. Last thing we need on the newsstands, or
> the internet.
> 
> Pret
> 
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> 
> I have learned that the victim was FILMED removing the foreign body from
> 
> this chest. I have been unable to obtain a copy of this self
> extraction of a 
> fatal chest penetration with a foreign body, but will keep trying.
> 
> This will resurrect the discussions regarding removal of an impaled
> foreign 
> body
> 
> k
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