Trauma in the air Victims wait for help

[Andrew J Bowman]

This Andrew did no such thing, I never said anything about it being
outrageous.  I used to work prehospital so I have walked the walk before.
No sense in waiting for anything. Go enroute and arrange contact down the
road. Always keep moving.

Andrew


On 4/30/07, Forrest Robleto <farcpr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Andrew called the fact that the EMT's waited for a helicopter 28 minutes
> outrageous.  What would you have done after 15 minutes?  He's denigrated
> the
> EMT's who did the best they could under the circumstances.  If they had
> been
> given the information that the wait would be 28 minutes they might have
> considered a different route.  I'm sure they were not given that
> information.
>
> Before you criticize a man walk a mile in his shoes, that way you'll be a
> mile away and have his shoes.
>
>
> On 4/30/07, rescsteve at aol.com <rescsteve at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have no issues what so ever with 2 EMTs and a reliable bus...it is the
> > basics that saves lives...
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pbjorn at emh.org
> > To: trauma-list at trauma.org
> > Sent: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 4:31 PM
> > Subject: RE: Trauma in the air Victims wait for help
> >
> >
> > Don't abandon objective reality in the obstreperous defense of your
> > paradigms.  Pretty soon you'll have your fingers in your ears,
> > hollering, "LAALAALAALAA-I-AM-NOT-LISTENING!"  Cripes, it's like arguing
> > with a guy who thinks his seatbelt will cause him to burn alive.
> >
> > Time is time, whether the delays are geographic, meteorologic, or
> > military.  Every major trauma system innovation since the 1960's has
> > resulted from trimming time to definitive care.
> >
> > Come with me to Darkness Falls, Maine, and we'll get drunk and crash a
> > car into a tree.  I'll take the twin-jet helicopter with the
> > nurse-paramedic crew from the trauma center, you can have the diesel
> > truck with the two EMT's from the local ambulance service.
> >
> > Bet you reconsider when it's you, and it's real.
> >
> > Pret
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org
> > [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of Andrew J Bowman
> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:01 PM
> > To: Trauma & Critical Care mailing list
> > Subject: Re: Trauma in the air Victims wait for help
> >
> > Of course the data looks good from Korea, Vietnam and Iraq. Those places
> > have/had unsafe or non-existent ground transport capability. Air was the
> > only way to go. The US is not the same thing when it comes to ground vs.
> > air
> > EMS transport. You cannot defend US air EMS by quoting situations in
> > third
> > world war zones.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bjorn, Pret" <pbjorn at emh.org>
> > To: "Trauma & Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org>
> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:44 PM
> > Subject: RE: Trauma in the air Victims wait for help
> >
> >
> > The data is actually rather compelling and durable; it just doesn't come
> > out of most parts of New Jersey.  Instead, think Korea, Viet Nam, and
> > Iraq.
> >
> > For that matter, I could (if HIPAA permitted) give you the names and eye
> > colors of at least a couple of our patients each year who would be
> > decidedly more dead or disabled if not for Maine's LifeFlight program.
> > To be fair, I admit our trauma center mortality is going UP at the same
> > time -- owing to patients who would have otherwise died at the community
> > hospital, or during the truck ride (from thirty minutes to four hours)
> > to a Maine trauma center.
> >
> > Just because you live ten minutes' drive from a trauma surgeon, doesn't
> > mean everyone does.
> >
> > Pret
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org
> > [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of rescsteve at aol.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:03 PM
> > To: trauma-list at trauma.org
> > Subject: Re: Trauma in the air Victims wait for help
> >
> > Show me the data that the use of the copter makes a difference in
> > patient outcomes.
> >
> > Steve
> >
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